Randi argues that throughout the ages, throughout the many shifts in climate change, the biosphere has survived. This is a confusing point because no scientist argues otherwise. If AGW is occurring and we do nothing to stop it - even if we accelerate the effect - the biosphere will still survive. Whether man will or not is another question. Certainly, whole civilizations will change dramatically.
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In my amateur opinion, more attention to disease control, better hygienic conditions for food production and clean water supplies, as well as controlling the filth that we breathe from fossil fuel use, are problems that should distract us from fretting about baking in Global Warming.In other words, he is saying we have other things we should be worried about before getting to Global Warming. Of course, we are worried about those things. The spectre of Global Warming does not diminish our more immediate concerns. However, what's the point of stamping out a few small fires in your room as the house continues to burn?
I was disheartened to know Randi's stance on this issue, but I understand that it is a divisive one even among skeptics. Or perhaps, especially among skeptics. Skeptics have a particular drive to ignore ideology and focus on facts and data. That this particular community can be so divided illustrates how difficult the issues are surrounding Global Warming. For one, GW is not immediate. It occurs over hundreds of years. Also, high quality data does not exist. The past history of climate change has to be obtained via proxies - e.g. tree ring growth, ice core samples, effects on corals, etc. These are fraught with many variables and often times run counter to what the GW proponents theorize. Lastly, computer models do not still adequately address a variety of feedback mechanisms, not the least of which is low and high altitude cloud formation, which can have a significant effect on GW.
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Like all of us he's entitled to his opinion and makes no bones about being 'an amateur'.
Sometimes the person in the street has a perspective scientists and politicians do not, as that person is not dependant on research grants or re-election.It's wonderfully freeing for developing an all round sensible point of view!
I agree. I didn't want to jump on the "criticism" train and I was planning a second post to make that clear. I recognize that this is Randi's opinion. But I do not relish seeing the ideologues using Randi as a garnish for their posts.
Thanks. I didn't know he had taken a stand on this, and wouldn't have even thought to consider it. I agree with him.
Interestingly, your defense involves asserting that consensus isn't that important. If so, you better tell some of your compatriots to stop using it as their defense. You can't have it both ways.
OK...I'll tell them.
But as I said before, the science doesn't rest on consensus - it rests on facts and data. However, let's not diminish the importance of consensus. Any theory in science can be easily disproved with some experiment or observation contrary to the theory. No amount of supporting experiments or observations can overcome the one counterexample. Yet until that time, the theory gains adherents, which is to say a consensus emerges. 100% of scientists supporting said theory is still a consensus. So, a consensus is a measure of the acceptance of the theory in the scientific community. It doesn't mean it can't be overturned.
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The skepTick said... "the science doesn't rest on consensus - it rests on facts and data. However, let's not diminish the importance of consensus."
Sorry, but there is no consensus, and the "data" has been rigged.
Fraud isn't science, it's a crime.
I agree with him. But I do not relish seeing the ideologues using Randi's opinion as a garnish for their posts.However,I didn't know he had taken a stand on this, and wouldn't have even thought to consider it.
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